Comments on 2006-04-26 1938 Opinion: Hah, what do you expect of a church based on the premise that its leader is infallible? Or does that only apply to Catholics? ;)

I think that it depends on the age of the child. But also …The Da Vinci Code have it’s biggest enemy in The Vatican. This is nothing new though. No matter what religion it is, power is the most important thing and the Christian church used to have the same kind of power as the Catholic church in the past. The more they ban, the more scared they are that they will lose that power.

To me it’s all fiction. The Bible…Da Vinci Code…in my eyes there’s no difference. But if I had to make a choice, The Da Vinci Code is closer to my reality than the Bible will ever be.

As for Harry Potter…well…if you can believe there’s a God in this dark side of the universe…I guess you can believe there’s wiches and magicians too.

christa 2006-04-26 20:10 UTC

Would you say this about Jews? If you did, would you be called an anti-Semite? Just asking. Christians are no stupider than anyone else. The world is full of stupid people. Like, Republicans. Like, office workers. Like, attorneys. Etc. What is reality? It’s all in your head anyway.

– Shelly 2006-04-27 23:25 UTC

Good question, Shelly.

If I’d said “All Christians are stupid” then yes, that would be like saying “all Jews are stupid” – it’s a racist comment in anyone’s language.

What I’m saying is there are stupid Christians and their opinions are louder than the non-stupid ones. That makes the non-stupid ones look stupid too.

The stupid Christians act like they are the moral right, and are guiding the policies of the most dangerous country on Earth.

THAT’s something worth shouting about. If only the non-stupid Christians would do the same.

GreyWulf 2006-04-28 07:51 UTC

I don’t think that this has anything to do with stupidity at all. Most people, no matter their religion, are intelligent and just regular people.
I’ve seen when faith is needed and a lot of people need it when faith in themselves is lacking for one reason or another. It’s a comfort and it brings hope.
That part I do understand.
But…when a book like Harry Potter becomes a threat, faith cannot be all that strong. Then it doesn’t really matter what religion you have.

The Christian church made horrible deads in the name of God a long time ago by burning “witches”. I’ve read old notes that was taken by the “court” in a small village in Sweden back in the beginning of 1420’s about how several women were “arrested” for witchcraft and the horrifying followups from the church. I don’t know if any other church – Jews, Catholics, Islam or any other – actually did this, but when it comes to any religion and church it’s all about fear, power and money.
The people who are trying to get Harry Potter taken away from libraries and schools these days are nothing but modern witch hunters.

It makes me wonder where our children and grandchildren will end up and where the world will be at that point. We are living in a time when people ask questions, and that goes for everything. We were served a lot of knowledge all the way up til the end of the 80’s. Then things changed.

As for being a “racist” just because one huge group of people (because there are a large amount of Christians out there) is behaving in a certain way, isn’t really fair either. In this case it is the Christians who is making a fuss over Harry Potter. That’s just the way it is.
I was raised a Christian myself…which means that I’m questioning the beliefs that I was brought up with. And there’s nothing wrong in that.

People won’t even write out “Merry Christmas” anymore in fear of being politically correct. And fictions like Harry Potter are being classified as “dangerous” for our kids.
Give it another 10-20 years, and they’ll be burning “witches” again.

christa 2006-04-28 08:21 UTC

You’re right.

Christians are just average people. But something seems to kick in a stupid gene every now and then. If these average people would just stop and listen for a second to what their leaders are saying in their name and actually have the courage to disagree with them rather than accept their words on blind faith, the world would be a better place. The problem is that your average American Christian is living a pretty comfortable life and the fact that people are dying (and probably going to burn in the fires of Hell, if you believe in that kind of thing) as a direct result of your country’s policies is a bit of a blind spot for these otherwise good, upright folks.

Instead of saying “enough is enough”, they ban Harry Potter. Sheesh.

GreyWulf 2006-04-28 08:46 UTC

Um…sweetie…now you’re mixing politics and religion…and they are two different things…or at least they should be.
I believe that no political leader anywhere have tried to ban Harry Potter, and that’s what this is about.

It’s about faith and rules that comes with a religion rather than the rules we all have to live after in a regular society.
People who are against Harry Potter are scared because their religion have deep roots in beliefs around witches and magic. Not because a leader told them that Harry Potter is bad for their kids.

They are raising their kids just like you and me, but their own faith is controlling their intensions and adds fear of things that we won’t even bat an eyelid about. And that goes for all religions.
Personally I’m against raising children into a religion, even with guidance, because of these things. It will give a very limited view of our society and twist the “rights & wrongs” into becomming more complicated than what it is. And often it is the “guide” who will help a kid to “understand” the Bible that has all the power. You can make a kid believe anything.

Which means that if you have your kids to believe that there is a God watching over them, they would easily believe in something like Harry Potter too. The line is so fine between the stories in the Bible and the stories around Harry Potter, because a lot of people who’s living by the Bible believe in witches and that sort of things. Heck, they believe there’s a Devil too…and that I can agree about. I believe he’s living in all of us :p

And lets be fair – this goes for people in a lot of countries, not just Americans. The main difference between Christians in the US and in other parts of the world can be blamed on the beliefs and use of Calvinism, which have had a big influence here in the UK as well.

I just think it’s time to grow out of the old believes that “evil” is something that you can find in books and movies. If we all take a good look at ourselves, we can find both good and evil in who we are and that’s more than enough to keep track on. Everything else around us is nothing but background noise.

christa 2006-04-28 09:20 UTC

The problem is that religion and politics are very closely intertwined. Always have been, always will be. Politicians hide behind a veneer of religion and religious groups try to influence politics. Both groups want to control the common man.

My point is that “grass-root” Christians are looking at the little problems, or even trying
to find problems where they don’t exist, as in the case of The Da Vinci Code, instead of trying to improve the world as a whole. It’s the priorities that are screwed.

If Christian groups came out against Bush instead of just laying back and accepting what he’s doing in their name, then he’d have no choice but to listen. Let’s face it, they are the only non-commercial support he has left.

GreyWulf 2006-04-28 09:44 UTC

I think the reason non-Christians are not speaking up against loonies is because there’s no such thing as “all Christians”. Everybody belongs to a particular sect and doesn’t really care what the others do. I don’t care what Catholics do, I don’t care what born-again promise-keeping Christians do. Because I’m not. And if I were, I’d just switch my church. So basically people are voting with their feet. That’s my hypothesis: You’re not seeing any dissent within Christian churches because dissenters quietly leave to join another church.

(As to myself, I grew up in a Christian culture but consider myself agnostic.)

Alex Schröder 2006-04-28 21:08 UTC

Alex, you’re absolutely right. People dissent by just walking away.

Well said. Sad but true.

If only dissent was more vocal.

GreyWulf 2006-04-28 21:18 UTC

Hah, what do you expect of a church a thousand years old based on the premise that its leader is infallible? Or does that only apply to Catholics? ;)

Alex Schröder 2006-04-29 17:25 UTC

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